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Share This Page Tweet. Your name or email address: Do you already have an account? No, create an account now. I do not like the idea of banning tires as that will keep on repeating itself long term.
I also think tires are speed and I do not want the rich teams to simple be able to buy their speed with tires. Champcar is a budget series and the tire cost is the main factor that has gone up over the past few years so it should be addressed.
The hard part of this is a lot of teams are so polar in their opinions as some want the fast tires for free points as they can afford it and others can not afford to run them want to keep costs down.
This is an issue that I do not think will end with everyone being happy at first, but something needs to be done. I do believe the TAC, BOD and members input we can come up with some rules that will be really good for the organization long term.
The term free stuff has been thrown around for years and years and a hot topic. I think a good portion of speed creep is from tires though as in the past few years we have some amazing options now.
What I think we should look at is each items and say, does this item being zero points add to speed creep? Does this item really add to extra costs for teams?
Then get feedback from teams that are actually using or planning to use these items to see if our idea of what X and Y are is true or not.
We all have opinions on items, but until we really look we might not have all the facts. Example I see.
No more 2x rule and now brake calipers 4 piston a free and people say this is adding to speed creep. But does it and are there real examples in which it does?
We had to the 2X rule and people had the calipers and brakes they basically wanted anyway. I wonder how many teams have actually seen this rule change and spent money on their car to change it.
Also, if they changed to Wilwoods did they do this to add life into the pads? I went to Wilwoods front and rear and can use the same pads front and rear and can use my half used pads in the rear so almost free rear pads now.
They are also 2x the pad volume. I can get a lot more life out of my pads and the pads cost more than the calipers.
For me in 3 to 4 races the calipers have paid for themselves so long term the rule change has saved me money. I agree with most of your thoughts here Troy.
Do you think FVP or Vpi should go up if things are made free to offset the speed creep? Good platform and I appreciate the thoughtful answers to the questions that have been asked.
The series has grown and, frankly, gotten faster. While we are working out strategies to manage it tires, free parts, VPI etc , we need to discuss some basic requirements for our drivers, too.
I get your point on free items if those items were points before. I do think most were under the 2x rule and free anyway, so just a different way to look at it.
I do wonder how many examples of these are really out there though with free items causing people to free up points?
My thought is that it might actually be pretty rare. I do think we can look at the VPI and make some assumptions on free items to adjust if needed.
I have a pretty good excel model, stated above, that can do a fair VPI based on the car. It could be something we can all look into doing.
For me on speed creep I think we need to look at the route cause of it. Is the same team now going seconds faster with the same car?
What have they changed in the past few years? I know drivers have improved in the last few years and that is a factor, but other things need to be taken into consideration.
Is it speedy parts? Is it tires? Is it drivers? When we talk about speed creep I think we need to do some hard research and say why the cars have increased and have some real data behind it and not just feelings and guesses like we have now.
We were seconds faster at Nelson Ledges and I can say it is because we have progressed that much as drivers. I think the findings would be enlightening no matter what direction it leads.
That actually sounds fun to do. Me personally I have had to add points over the last year to my car and free items have not helped.
I added for an alum flywheel, that I got back now at least. I did have to add for the header not being included in swaps and I get way, it just puts us now at 4 laps back in my old car.
We have decided to run it EC if it is needed and then not have to worry about it. It is not like we are making up 4 laps anyway.
I think we can track drivers and educate drivers. I like the idea that you do not need experience to enter and can come race.
The driver quality is so much better now than in the past I think we have come to expect it. I know when I drive around I will come up on a guy who is all over and not staying in his line and a danger to both of us.
I do not think anyone does it on purpose, it is just lack of knowledge and what is expected. The mentor program I had stated I wanted to do could encompass this into it as driver education and aide.
The program can start out fairly simple and expand out to the needs we have. We just need to start somewhere. I think having a mentor to help guide a new team would be a big advantage as that person would to able to give them the inside scoop on what to no do and what to do.
I do think we need to have a much more detailed rookie school. I have sat through a few of them in the past and brought up driver awareness and having eyes all over.
Having an hour with the ED talk to you about flags and basic items is nice, but not even close to enough. I think we should have a structured session that is much more detailed about each item.
It is two days with driving, but I think it could be a half a day or less if done right. I think we can do something like that also and it would help a lot.
Maybe have it on Fridays from pm or something before the race weekend.